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Re: aenigmata

Beitragvon Willimox » Do 11. Feb 2021, 20:36

Comitibus s.p. d. Thras.

Cum aenigma primo legissem, mihi dubium erat, quid illa sententia ""Quidam Romanus prodit in viri funus, quod suum quoque funus esse apparet" signifcaret, Timuitne Brutus, ne necaretur a populo? Timuitne Antonius, ne necaretur a populo irato? A coniuratis? Quid significat "suum funus"? An tantum officium Caesari debitum?
"apparet" dici potest, quod coniurati mortem exspectant? Quod Antonius ita dixit:
Si mille annos victurus sum, nunquam morti aptior ero; nullus mortis locus mihi magis exoptandus, quam hîc prope Caesarem meum; nullus mortis modus, quam a vobis temporum nostrorum principibus potentissimisque occidi.
(Henry Denison)

Tum - cum Cometa noster respondisset - denuo deliberandum mihi fuit: "prodit ut necaretur". Cur imperfectum tempus post tempus praesens in "prodit". "Prodiit"? Estne hoc modus irrealis? Difficile intellectu.

Nunc - quaeso - explica mihi et placa turbationem meam, comes Cometa.

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Solacium mihi et stupiditati meae Cicero, qui fortasse Antonii sententiam non perspexit, illud "Brutus, quem ego honoris causa nomino".....

Sed stuporem hominis vel dicam pecudis attendite. Sic enim dixit: 'Brutus, quem ego honoris causa nomino, cruentum pugionem tenens Ciceronem exclamavit; ex quo intellegi debet eum conscium fuisse. ' Ergo ego sceleratus appellor a te, quem tu suspicatum aliquid suspicaris; ille, qui stillantem prae se pugionem tulit, is a te honoris causa nominatur? Esto, sit in verbis tuis hic stupor; quanto in rebus sententiisque maior!
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Beitragvon consus » Do 11. Feb 2021, 21:09

Cum ad interrogata responderem, amici doctissimi, mihi ante oculos obversabantur versus 150sqq. quos scriptos legimus in act. III, sc. I (Re-enter Antony), imprimis Marci Antonii verba "I do beseech ye, if you bear me hard, now, whilst your purpled hands do reek and smoke, fulfill your pleasure", et Bruti verba "O Antony, beg not your death of us". Ut iam scripsi, omnia animo incerto... Videat Cometes!
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Re: aenigmata

Beitragvon cometes » Do 11. Feb 2021, 22:16

Quod ad tempus mirabile attinet, narratione vivida (et fabulae et historiae) deceptus erravi. Quaeso, ut ignoscatis.

Ne time, mi Conse, non tam longe a vero aberras, ut in periculum devorandi venias.
Funus est, ut dicis, Caesaris et Shakespeare auctor fabulae scaenicae, quae ex eo nomen accepit.
Illi Romano quidem, qui in funus Caesaris prodit, ut ipse necetur, aliud nomen est. Nec M. Antonius nec Brutus partes secundas vel tertias agit aut oblivione obrutus est.
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Beitragvon consus » Fr 12. Feb 2021, 12:23

Re denuo pertracta, optime Cometa, facere non possum quin scribam te de Cinna poeta cogitare (act. III. sc.III (cf. http://www.shakespearemag.com/fall98/cinna.asp). Ecce verba Cinnae poetae: "I dreamt to-night that I did feast with Caesar, / And things unluckily charge my phantasy: / I have no will to wander forth of doors, / Yet something leads me forth" et paulo post "Directly, I am going to Caesar's funeral.".
Utinam ne iterum in errore verser!
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Re: aenigmata

Beitragvon cometes » Fr 12. Feb 2021, 12:38

Acu tetigisti, doctissime Conse, gratulor. Shakespeare in sua tragoedia, quae Iulius Caesar inscribitur, narrationem de C. Helvio Cinna poeta, quam apud Suetonium et al. invenimus, sale nigro auxit:


SECOND PLEBEIAN Whither are you going?
THIRD PLEBEIAN Where do you dwell?
FOURTH PLEBEIAN Are you a married man or a
bachelor?
SECOND PLEBEIAN Answer every man directly.
FIRST PLEBEIAN Ay, and briefly.
FOURTH PLEBEIAN Ay, and wisely.
THIRD PLEBEIAN Ay, and truly, you were best.
CINNA What is my name? Whither am I going? Where
do I dwell? Am I a married man or a bachelor?
Then to answer every man directly and briefly,
wisely and truly: wisely I say, I am a bachelor.
SECOND PLEBEIAN That’s as much as to say they are
fools that marry. You’ll bear me a bang for that, I
fear. Proceed directly.
CINNA Directly, I am going to Caesar’s funeral.
FIRST PLEBEIAN As a friend or an enemy?
CINNA As a friend.
SECOND PLEBEIAN That matter is answered directly.
FOURTH PLEBEIAN For your dwelling—briefly.
CINNA Briefly, I dwell by the Capitol.
THIRD PLEBEIAN Your name, sir, truly.
CINNA Truly, my name is Cinna.
FIRST PLEBEIAN Tear him to pieces! He’s a conspirator.
CINNA I am Cinna the poet, I am Cinna the poet!
FOURTH PLEBEIAN Tear him for his bad verses, tear him
for his bad verses!
CINNA I am not Cinna the conspirator.
FOURTH PLEBEIAN It is no matter. His name’s Cinna.
Pluck but his name out of his heart, and turn him
going.
THIRD PLEBEIAN Tear him, tear him! Come, brands, ho,
firebrands! To Brutus’, to Cassius’, burn all! Some
to Decius’ house, and some to Casca’s, some to
Ligarius’. Away, go!
All the Plebeians exit, carrying off Cinna.


Nunc tua in manu est aenigmatophilos denuo delectare.
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aenigma philologicum

Beitragvon consus » Do 18. Feb 2021, 17:44

Amicis suis litteratissimis sal.
Clarissima auctor Britannica initio saec. XIX librum composuit qui aenigmata continet syllabica. Ecce unum ex his aenigmatis in Latinum conversum:

Britannicum est verbum duarum syllabarum,
quarum prima aerumnas significat,
altera quoddam animal, quod iis affligitur.
Verbum ex duabus his syllabis compositum antidotum significat
quo melius non est ad aerumnas leniendas.

Nomen auctoris?
Inscriptio libri?
Solutio aenigmatis?
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Re: aenigmata

Beitragvon Willimox » Fr 19. Feb 2021, 09:54

Thrasyboulus comiti Conso litteratissimo s.p.dicit.

In saeculo XIX (!) Jane Austen illum notiisimum de "Emma" librum scripsit.

My first doth affliction denote
Which my second is destin'd to feel.
And my whole is the best antidote
That affliction to soften and heal.


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Re: aenigmata

Beitragvon consus » Fr 19. Feb 2021, 10:53

Willimox scripsit / hat geschrieben:...In saeculo XIX (!) Jane Austen illum notiisimum de "Emma" librum scripsit....
Ita est, mi amice. (Sero mendum vidi...)
My first doth affliction denote
Which my second is destin'd to feel.
And my whole is the best antidote
That affliction to soften and heal.

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Gratulor tibi de aenigmate ab omni parte soluto. Vir es litteratissimus. Iuvat videre quanta tu excellas doctrina, idque non solum hoc loco... :D
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Re: aenigmata

Beitragvon Willimox » Fr 19. Feb 2021, 14:01

Thras. comitibus aenigmatum expertis et amantibus s.p.d.

Verbum Britannicum vix iam usitatum in tragoediis Gulielmi Shakespeare quater inveniri potest.

Hoc in loco illud invenies:

Caesarisque umbra — cui comes ibit Ate, tartareis incandescens ignibus — ultionem passim exquirens, hos inter fines Imperatoris voce cladem proclamabit, bellique tigres in praedam immittet.


Agedum!

Verbum Britannicum ?

Duae de quattuor tragoediis hoc verbum continentes/continentibus?

Valete

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Re: aenigmata

Beitragvon Tiberis » Fr 19. Feb 2021, 20:32

nonne "havoc" est, quod quaeris? quod in his fabulis Shakespearianis invenitur:
Hamlet (V,2,378) , King John (II,1, 357), Coriolan ( III,1, 273) et in loco abs te allato (Iulius Caesar)
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ego sum medio quem flumine cernis,
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caeruleus Thybris, caelo gratissimus amnis
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Re: aenigmata

Beitragvon Willimox » Fr 19. Feb 2021, 20:55

Gratulor tibi, sodalis reverende, accuratius nemo respondere potest.
Vivimus in posteris: qua der causa nunc aenigma novum nobis laetitiae et lucro mentali sit!
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Beitragvon consus » Fr 19. Feb 2021, 21:12

Quasi in transitu: Inveni etiam "to tear and havoc" in Henrico Quinto (I 2, 173).
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Re: aenigmata

Beitragvon Tiberis » So 21. Feb 2021, 02:32

A.N.A.Z.A.

Ab his litteris nomina incipiunt, quibus urbs, quam quaero, appellabatur sive appellatur, ordine scilicet mutato.

quae urbs? (nomen recens)
quae nomina?
ego sum medio quem flumine cernis,
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caeruleus Thybris, caelo gratissimus amnis
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Re: aenigmata

Beitragvon marcus03 » So 21. Feb 2021, 07:38

De caput civitatis Kasachstanianae loqui videris:

1. Nur-Sultan/ "Splendidus-imperator" ;-)

2. Akmolinsk, Zelinograd, Aqmola, Astana,

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nur-Sultan
https://www.welt.de/reise/staedtereisen ... Boden.html
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Re: aenigmata

Beitragvon Tiberis » So 21. Feb 2021, 13:10

Denuo, optime Marce, rerum geographicarum peritissimum te praestitisti. gratulor! nunc tuae sunt partes... :wink:
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